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Re: My (very brief) Love Affair with SuSE 10.1

__/ [ M ] on Saturday 20 May 2006 18:22 \__

> William Poaster wrote:
>> It was on Fri, 19 May 2006 09:07:32 +0100 when Roy Schestowitz posted
>> this:
>>> __/ [ rapskat ] on Friday 19 May 2006 05:41 \__
>>> [commenting as I go along reading]
>> <snip>
>> <snip>
>>>> YaST2 is a great tool. It provides a central point from which any and
>>>> every aspect of the system can be configured, from user desktop
>>>> preferences to software upgrade and installation.  All were very simple
>>>> and straightforward to use.  Flash and media worked right away with
>>>> Firefox, mp3 playback was there, though encrypted DVD playback wasn't.
>>>> Most of the OSS apps that I've come to expect were installed by default
>>>> and worked fine.
>>> YaST is one of these facilities that used to be commercial, but I
>>> believed it turned GPL (or something close to that) a few years ago. YaST
>>> complements Control Centre to make the overall management of the computer
>>> (hardware and software included) as easy as Next -> Next -> Finish. No
>>> need for command-line utilities, installers and diagnostics. Eva!
>> They've replaced Susewatcher with Zenupdater & 'rug', which seems to be
>> the way Novell are now going, instead of using YaST (Personally I
>> preferred YaST). According to the mailing lists (opensuse.devel) there do
>> appear to be online update problems with this system ATM, zmd libzypp, &
>> I've found adding a new source can be slow. Zen asks for signatures,
>> pgpkeys etc, which isn't a bad thing, & will probably be fine once it's
>> had a "shakedown voyage" of a month or so. I know the guys are working on
>> it! :-)
> I have never yet installed Susse so to date I have *no* first hand
> experience of it, however I did happen to come across this:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1035592#post1035592
> <quote>
> As most, I was a bit anticipated with RPM mechanism it self. It is a bit
> fragile compared to debian's. So my problem was about Yast. Many people in
> Suse community are unhappy about Yast. Instead they offer alternative
> solutions like apt or smart. I personally found Yast very slow and buggy.
> Synaptic is like a breeze compared to it.
> So you see, default built in package manager is crap in Suse.
> Also repositories are a bit problem. Some packages at some mirrors are
> broken. And you have to deal with directory names for adding new
> repositories. Even manually dealing with source file in ubuntu is much
> better Thirdly, Novel is less responsive than ubuntu in adding most recent
> packages.
> </quote>
> So for those of you with *first* hand experience what do you make of this?
> He seems to suggest that he is not alone in his feelings. Interesting how
> for a lot of people, Synaptic does seem to keep coming out on top.

In SuSE 10.1 (or SUSE, as Novell try to rename it), YaST has become
secondary. I can't recall the name of the other package manager, neither can
I recall if I read this in the mailing lists or the newsgroups. Either way,
YaST appears to be a victim of neglect (it will continue to work

Best wishes,


PS - I loved Synaptic every time I used it. I can't say the same about YOU
and YaST2 package management. Warnings, dependencies and CD's required. That
said, I tried installing new software on an old distribution with a 2.4.x

PSS - William, KDE 3.5.2 is no longer in its testing phase. I was wrong and
someone corrected me this morning, having spotted another strange bug.

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