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[News] [Rival] On Microsoft Bullying of ISO, Semi-hearted Approach to Interoperability

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] On Microsoft Bullying of ISO, Semi-hearted Approach to Interoperability
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:26:40 +0100
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
Interop Preview: Tech Industry Gets Ready To Rumble

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| The catch: Critics say OOXML is not truly standards-based and is not fully 
| interoperable, and have accused Microsoft of bullying the ISO into approving 
| the format as an international standard. With that background, it should be a 
| lively session -- especially if there are some fans of the rival open source 
| Open Document Format in the audience. Kitterman may need a mouth guard and a 
| good corner man!     
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/careers/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207401553

Interoperability for the other 90 percent of the world

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| With all the talk about interoperability rumbling around, I thought a quick 
| sanity check would be in order. Vendors are fond of talking about 
| interoperability, but myopia-challenged as we are, we tend to forget that 
| most software is not developed by vendors. It's developed by 
| so-called "customers."    
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http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9929021-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad

"We should dedicate a cross-group team to come up with ways to leverage Windows
technically more."

                                --Jim Allchin, Microsoft 


Recent:

[Tim Bray:] ISO Fantasy

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| What OOXML Is · The ISO process, brutal and corrupt as it was, has been 
|                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| covered to death by everyone. Its output, soon to be known as ISO/IEC 29500, 
| differs from ECMA-376 in two ways. ¶  
| 
| [...]
| 
| What Microsoft really wanted was that ISO stamp of approval to use as a 
| marketing tool. And just like your mother told you, when they get what they 
| want and have their way with you, they’re probably not gonna call you in the 
| morning.   
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http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/15/OOXML


Sinclair's Syndrome

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| For ISO, in a public relations pitch, to blithely suggest that several 
| thousand page Fast Tracks are "not unusual" shows an audacious disregard for 
| the truth and a lack of respect for a public that is looking for ISO to 
| correct its errors, not blow smoke at them in a revisionist attempt to 
| portray the DIS 29500 approval process as normal, acceptable or even 
| legitimate. We should expect better from ISO and we should express 
| disappointment in them when they let us down in our reasonable expectations 
| of honesty. We don't expect this from Ecma. We don't expect this from 
| Microsoft. But we should expect this from ISO.        
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/04/sinclairs-syndrome.html


Software wars

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| Allegations of committee-stuffing, the outcome of votes overridden by 
| political appointees, a final decision that many involved consider tainted: 
| this may sound like a discredited election in some third world country. But 
| it is actually a description of an ugly fight over international technical 
| standards that wrapped up this week. Microsoft came out on top, but at the 
| cost of tarnishing its reputation and the credibility of an important 
| back-room process that oils the wheels of many global industries.      
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c9743360-01a8-11dd-a323-000077b07658,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Fc9743360-01a8-11dd-a323-000077b07658.html%3Fnclick_check%3D1&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworlduk.com%2Ftool


Related:

Martin Bryan: we are getting “standardization by corporation”

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| A November informative report of Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 
| WG1 highlights the fallout of the ECMA-376 fast-track process for ISO. He 
| says he is 'glad to be retiring before the situation becomes impossible'  
| 
| [...]
| 
| In what is an astonishingly outspoken report, Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC 
| JTC1/SC34 WG1 has given us insight into the total mess that Microsoft/ECMA 
| have caused during their scandalous, underhand and unremitting attempts to 
| get - what is a very poorly written specification {i.e. DIS 29500 aka OOXML, 
| AR} - approved as an ISO standard. …    
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30107/martin-bryan:we-are-getting-standardization-by-corporation


Dysfunctional ISO - Courtesy of Microsoft

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/12/dysfunctional-iso-courtesy-of-microsoft.html


Microsoft accused of stacking ISO committee

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| In a memo sent following his last meeting as head of the working group on 
| WG1, which is handling Microsoft’s application to make the Word format an ISO 
| standard as ECMA 376, outgoing Governor Martin Bryan (above), an expert on 
| SGML and XML, accused the company of stacking his group.   
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1777


EU Commission Investigating Microsoft's MSOOXML Push

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| I hope they think to investigate the smear campaigns that seem to always 
| happen to anyone on the other side from Microsoft. What happened to Peter 
| Quinn was by no means unique.  
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080208151410252

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