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[News] [Rival] OOXML Already Deprecated, Contains Binaries

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] OOXML Already Deprecated, Contains Binaries
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:26:16 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
DIS-29500: Deprecated before use?

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| Simultaneously, ECMA addresses this in Response 34 of its proposed 
| Disposition of Comments by removing all references to idiosyncrasies from the 
| specification and placing them in a newly formed Annex for deprecated 
| information. With the removal of this information from the DIS-29500, the  
| design goal of MS-OOXML can no longer be met. The entire specification has 
| therefore effectively become obsolete.    
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http://fsfeurope.org/documents/msooxml-idiosyncrasies

This binary part supports the storage of arbitrary user-defined data.

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| <Relationships xmlns="…">
| <Relationship Id="rId7"
| Type="http://.../customProperty"; Target="CustomProperty.bin"/>
| </Relationships>
| 
| [...]
| 
| Conclusion: Since there is no requirement on the format of the content, any 
| vendor can put its proprietary binary extensions in there. 
| 
| Good Bye Interoperability!
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-41994/good-bye-interoperability-3-with-binaries-inside

Microsoft carries on lying about software patents also, despite the fact that
people constantly correct them.


Yesterday:

OOXML Contains Proprietary Microsoft Codecs (as 'Standard')

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| ECMA removes some Microsoft's formats from the list of examples. Does that 
| mean that ASF and WMV are excluded from the list of supported codecs? Of 
| course not, it is a list of suggestions, and Any supported video type is 
| supported, and the ECMA intentions are pretty clear:   
| 
|     we do not believe that preventing the use of other codecs is appropriate, 
|     as it will prevent innovation 
| 
| And when it comes to address the reference to Quicktime, it is a patented 
| format which requires royalty payments to MPEG-LA suckers. 
| 
| Again, ECMA seems devoted to say: Good Bye Interoperability!
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-41316/good-bye-interoperability-2-with-proprietary-audio-and-video-formats


Related:

Developers warned over OOXML patent risk

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| "Smaller players and non-IT firms--those who are not and perhaps cannot be in 
| close business deals with Microsoft--are potentially at a disadvantage in not 
| having either a relevant competing patent portfolio to bring to negotiations, 
| or the legal resources to assess the level of risk," Vaile said. "This is why 
| a truly global open standard ideally needs to be dealt with in a way that 
| removes obvious sources of uncertainty for smaller participants as well."     
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http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62037862,00.htm


Microsoft patents by Brian Jones

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| For fun we just did a quick search of published US patent applications 
| with "Brian Jones" as an author, and "Microsoft" as the assignee. 
| 
| [...]
| 
| Some of these, like the packing ones, seem to apply directly to OOXML. What 
| isn't clear to us is why Microsoft would pursue patent protection for patents 
| rights that their are promising that they won't assert over users of OOXML.  
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-35323/microsoft-patents-by-brian-jones


Wishful Spinning

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| OOXML gets adopted. More and more projects are started. Let's see which of 
| these would survive without funding. Meanwhile a spin factory sends out 
| success stories that most bloggers find worthless to discuss. It is possible 
| to get the Krauts on board that are supposed to review OOXML but would OOXML 
| survive a review by the crowds?    
`----

http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-35292/wishful-spinning


Digging in the Comments: Patents

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| Patent licensing is probably the most important aspect for all third parties 
| that want to implement or use the Open XML specification. Unfortunately the 
| Ballot Resolution Meeting cannot discuss these aspects because only technical 
| and editorial issues would get resolved.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| When you have a patent which covers Open XML and you refuse to license it, 
| the standard process gets stalled. Large companies in the standardization 
| process are reluctant to use that nuke option. Given the ambush that the 
| software patent practice means today it is quite possible that Open XML 
| infringes a patent and all parties eventually have an obligation to license 
| it.     
`----

http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-31491/digging-in-the-comments:patents


Patent threat looms large over OOXML

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| "If OOXML goes through as an ISO standard, the IT industry, government and 
| business will encumbered with a 6000-page specification peppered with 
| potential patent liabilities" said NZOSS President Don Christie.  
| 
| "Patent threats have already been used to spread doubt amongst organisations 
| keen to take advantage of the benefits of open source. No one knows whether 
| such claims have any merit, but it is calculated to deter the development and 
| use of open and alternative toolsets."   
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http://nzoss.org.nz/node/179


Cyberlaw OOXML Seminar 14 December

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| However, this raises the issue - what assurance does a developer have that 
| such a large specification is not the subject of third party patent claims?  
|       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| The pedigree of the specification is certainly no reason for hope, Microsoft 
| has been the target of third party patent claims for some time now including 
| some high profile losses in patent suits. The fact that the specification has 
| been developed behind closed doors and on a fast track means that there has 
| been no adequate opportunity to evaluate the likelihood of third party patent 
| claims against the specifications. The sheer size of the document suggests 
| there will be at least a couple hiding in there somewhere.       
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http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/cyberlaw-ooxml-seminar-14-december/


ISO warned about possible patent violations of DIS29500 (aka OOXML)

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| I have just send the following email to ISO members (you can find some of 
| their email addresses on the INCTIS website) to warn them about the possible  
| patent ambush... 
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http://jeremywang67.blogspot.com/2008/01/iso-warned-about-possible-patent.html

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