____/ High Plains Thumper on Monday 14 January 2008 06:28 : \____
> Tim Smith wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Tim Smith wrote:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
http://jeremywang67.blogspot.com/2008/01/iso-warned-about-possible-patent.html
>>>>
>>>> It's a rather broad patent covering most or all XML. That means it
>>>> covers ODF just as much as it covers OOXML, so why do you try to make
>>>> it sound like this is just an OOXML problem?
>>>
>>> Oh, I see, it is a case of reading into a quote, is it not? Care to
>>> discuss the article points or give your counterpoints instead of your
>>> pointless accusations, hmmm, Timmy?
>>>
>>> Here is what PJ has to say of this new patent troll effort:
>>>
>>> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20051021183953795
>
> <SNIP>
>
>>> [quote] Remember Michael Anderer indicating that Microsoft's strategy
>>> would be to make sure FOSS is hit with one patent lawsuit after another
>>> until it lies down and dies? Remember Andrew Orlowski writing about
>>> Ballmer's speech in Asia, which he later tried to clarify, that
>>> Microsoft's weapon of choice is not patent infringement lawsuits, but
>>> rather the *threat* of them, or to put it plainly, FUD? That success
>>> for Microsoft would be in the *bringing* of lawsuits (or having someone
>>> bring them), one after another, whereby the ultimate outcome doesn't
>>> matter so much as being able to tie up everyone in costly litigation,
>>> so it can herald the "news" that FOSS is dangerous to use in the
>>> enterprise? More SCO, anyone? <SNIP> [/quote]
>>>
>>> Well, it will be interesting to see where all of this heads. If they
>>> go after Sun and OASIS and ignore Microsoft, it will cause another SCO
>>> stir. This is particularly interesting if things turn out that way,
>>> since the company with the patent portfolio has historically been a
>>> partner of Microsoft:
>>>
>>> [quote] About Market Central
>>>
>>> Headquartered in Atlanta, Market Central, Inc. is a full service
>>> Customer Relationship Management (CRM) provider. The Company has
>>> developed a next-generation suite of CRM solutions that include
>>> proprietary, patented software for data capture, cleansing, mining,
>>> integration, search, and intelligent document recognition. The Company
>>> is also a Microsoft development partner for MS CRM solutions. Market
>>> Central provides other CRM services, such as campaign management, and
>>> operates a 900-seat contact center to support the software line of
>>> business and provide outsourced contact center services to select
>>> clients as part of their overall CRM effort. [/quote]
>>>
>>> According to:
>>>
>>>
http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Guidelines_01_March_07.pdf
>>>
>>> or http://tinyurl.com/242vj9
>>>
>>> [quote] 3 Patent disclosure
>>>
>>> As mandated by the Patent Policy in its paragraph 1, any party
>>> participating in the work of the Organizations should, from the outset,
>>> draw their attention to any known patent or to any known pending patent
>>> application, either their own or of other organizations.
>>>
>>> In this context, the words “from the outset” imply that such
>>> information should be disclosed as early as possible during the
>>> development of the Recommendation | Deliverable. This might not be
>>> possible when the first draft text appears since at this time, the text
>>> might be still too vague or subject to subsequent major modifications.
>>> Moreover, that information should be provided in good faith and on a
>>> best effort basis, but there is no requirement for patent searches.
>>> [/quote]
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> [quote] Whether the identification of the Patent took place before or
>>> after the approval of the Recommendation | Deliverable, if the Patent
>>> Holder is unwilling to license under paragraph 2.1 or 2.2 of the Patent
>>> Policy, the Organizations will promptly advise the Technical Bodies
>>> responsible for the affected Recommendation | Deliverable so that
>>> appropriate action can be taken. Such action will include, but may not
>>> be limited to, a review of the Recommendation | Deliverable or its
>>> draft in order to remove the potential conflict or to further examine
>>> and clarify the technical considerations causing the conflict. [/quote]
>>>
>>> Blogger in Roy's link indicated that in accordance with the ISO
>>> process, committee members were informed of a potential conflict that
>>> could affect the outcome of the current draft ISO approval process.
>>> This is the start of what is described in the first quote above.
>>>
>>> Per the latter quote, if there appears to be a valid claim, then the
>>> corrective action is to remove the potential conflict and press on.
>>> This is an elementary position of Gnu and FOSS, is it not?
>>>
>>> Playing the "Devil's advocate", if it further delays OOXML approval in
>>> ISO, perhaps it is an indication that Microsoft may be in store for a
>>> dose of its own medicine?
>>
>> [bunch of incoherent rambling deleted]
>>
>> Do you want to actually try to address the point?
>
> I did, but apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. You want
> to advocate a personal agenda of attacking advocates instead of addressing
> points being brought up. Such gobshite is not worth my responding to.
He's trying to hide evidence. Quick, Tim. Allchin said that mail needs to be
deleted every 6 months (at least) in order to hide criminal evidence.
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