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Marcos - Subject: Suse, No Thanks ! ( Jan 12, 2008, 17:00:59 )
"The starting price for this system will be $949, $20 less than the same laptop
with Vista Home Premium."
Hahaha, is this a joke ? Oh, I forgot the M$ tax that Novell pays to M$ as
partner.
Why not Lenovo doesn't put Ubuntu, Mandriva or other non-M$-blessed linux
distribution ?
I want the option of linux or even NO OEM operating system for ALL notebooks !
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cjm - Subject: SLED is a silly idea... ( Jan 12, 2008, 20:28:50 )
...and it won't do anything except feed into the meme that "people don't want
Linux."
Setting aside, for the moment, my distaste for a GNU/Linux distribution
produced in collaboration with Microsoft, the market for "Enterprise" releases
is generally to a class of user capable of installing the OS themselves (or by
the IT department) if the hardware is truly compatible. And since SLED ain't
the only "Enterprise" game in town, the Enterprise isn't all waiting with
bated breath for SLED preloads...the majority of GNU/Linux laptops will run
something else.
So the majority of prospective buyers will get a chance to pay for SLED in
order to immediately replace it with RedHat or one of the freely available
distributions.
A better approach (if a vendor is serious about serving the GNU/Linux market),
would be to provide a laptop with full hardware compatibility with one or more
freely available distributions. Load one of them on the machine as proof of
GNU/linux compatibility and pass the entire savings in OS cost on to the
buyer. If the buyer wants OS support, then they can buy it from Novell or
RedHat with the OS after hardware delivery, and without guessing at how much
they paid for it, or from Canonical for a set price for freely available
Ubuntu, or whatever other combination of distribution and support they want.
And I think when a major vendor finally approaches GNU/Linux this way, without
hiding their offerings behind "We recommend genuine Windows ____," then we'll
know that we've found a vendor who is serious about GNU/Linux.
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blackhole - Subject: Re: Why the Hate? ( Jan 13, 2008, 11:45:34 )
> Why are people so hateful of Novell? Sure the deal with Microsoft seems
rather unnecessary, but perhaps Novell viewed it as a way to differentiate
their GNU/Linux distribution from that of RedHat.
Why the venom? Because Novell conspired with MS to find a loophole in the then
current GPL. And then used the loophole to execute the sort of patent
agreement that the GPL was designed to prohibit. The reason the GPL seeks to
prohibit such things is because such agreements remove the freedom the GPL
tries to guarantee. That is reason enough there. But the agreement also
increases the risks of lawsuits for those that MS has not
declared "protected." And has given MS quite a bit of ammunition to fuel their
FUD machine. I do not take kindly to people -- or companies -- kicking sand in
my face.
Your post then goes on to talk about technical merit and the fact that you can
replace the traitor's software with another distro. I submit that is
irrelevant to the discussion of how Novell and their software should be
treated. I can also buy a computer with MS preinstalled. But I won't.
You end with an admonition to "stop bitching." I actually wouldn't have posted
anything had you not asked your question which has an obvious and well known
answer. As far as the venom toward Novell, mine will not stop until either
Novell cancels their patent agreement with MS or they die.
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CD Baric - Subject: Re: Re: Why the Hate? ( Jan 13, 2008, 12:12:04 )
I totally agree!
>As far as the venom toward Novell, mine will not stop until either Novell
cancels their patent agreement with MS or they die.
The third and most likely conclusion will be when the agreement times out. This
agreement is for a specific period of time and when it ends Novell will likely
find itself in the belly of the beast - it will be THE PERFECT opportunity for
Microsoft to sue Novell out of existance.
It is so obvious - by signing an IP license agreement with Microsoft they are
actually agreeing that they are employing Microsoft IP, whether it is
explicitly itemized or not.
When the agreement comes to and end and Microsoft elects not to renew, they
will demand Novell STOP using their IP which they maintain is inherent in
Linux and many FOSS applications and utilities. It's not like Novell can all
of a sudden deny the existance of Microsoft IP because that is what the MS IP
license agreement was all about.
Goodbye Novell, Xandros and every other unfortunate Microsoft (Linux IP)
licensee.
Microsoft cannot compete with Linux and FOSS on merit so it is going to rely on
it's tried and true anti-competitive tactics of FUD, Embrace, Extend &
Extinguish and now the Patent Trap.
<b>Microsoft Lies Cheats and Steals!</b>
CD 'Bar' Baric
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