On Oct 9, 7:29 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> OOXML: Flogging a Dead Horse
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> | But OOXML is not quite dead yet. There is a danger. And one we must all be
> | vigilant toward: There is a possibility of Microshaft and it’s Lackeys trying
> | to gain control of the maintenance of the ODF standard. Currently this is
> | handled by the very open and transparent OASIS organisation. This process
> | might end up being transferred to ISO under the guise of a group known as
> | SC34. This committee is loaded full of Microsoft puppets - several of whom
> | are British and have shown a total disregard for due process to this date.
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> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/10/07/ooxml-flogging-a-dead-horse/
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> Yesterday:
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> Where's Rob?
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> | To put it in perspective, the US SC34 shadow committee currently has around
> | 20 members. Before Microsoft stuffed it we had around 7. Regardless, the US
> | SC34 mirror committee typically sends a delegation of 2 or 3 people to
> | international meetings. IBM attendance at these meetings has varied from 0 to
> | 2. It really depends on where the meeting is being held. If it is being
> | hosted by an NB where an IBM employee is a member, then he will typically
> | attend. If something is on the agenda that I find interesting, then I'll
> | typically attend regardless of location.
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> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/10/wheres-rob.html
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> ISO offers to take on ODF maintenance
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> | The international standards body ISO has offered to help maintain the ODF
> | document standard alongside its work on the rival Microsoft-originated OOXML
> | specification, saying its creator Oasis is not dealing with defect reports
> | quickly enough.
> |
> | At a meeting in Korea last week, the International Organization for
> | Standardization (ISO) committee for document standards, SC 34, issued a
> | liaison statement to Oasis, the body that created ODF. It requested
> | an "alignment" of maintenance of ODF between the work done at Oasis and that
> | within ISO.
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> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39498926,00.htm
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> SC34 thanked Microsoft Korea for the dinner
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> | The company from Redmond is heavily investing in the ISO SC34 committee.
> | Thanks to a brazilian blogger who manage to shed some light on what was going
> | on in there, we hear now that Microsoft Korea was paying for dinner.
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> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-95230/sc34-thanked-microsoft-korea-for...
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> Meeting of JTC1/SC34 in Korea: It is the end of the world (as we know it)
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> | At this meeting, Brazil was represented by Microsoft.
> |
> | I and several other members of our committee protested against this
> | indication, but we had our protests silenced by the Director of ABNT
> | (Brazilian NB) that said that this decision was not our prerogative and that
> | if Microsoft would pay for their own representative’s trip, their indication
> | was approved.
> |
> | Also reminded us that since the beginning of activities of our group at ABNT,
> | he tells us about having a “financial fund” provided by the committee’s
> | organizations, to cover expenses like this. As we do not have that fund and
> | Microsoft has offered to pay their own expenses, their indication was
> | approved by him (rather not comment on anything about it, I get stomach ache
> | by remembering this sad fact). Just to clarify, the other committee’s
> | members did not indicated any representative because we tought that this
> | wasn’t an important meeting to spend our time and money with.
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> http://homembit.com/2008/10/meeting-of-jtc1sc34-in-korea-it-is-the-en...
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> Opening Up ISO's Can of Worms
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> | The point is, the *entire process* should be out in the open: that's how we
> | do things in the 21st century, remember - the Internet, open source, Web 2.0,
> | that kind of stuff? You know, a collaborative endeavour that draws as widely
> | as possible on people who have relevant skills, whoever they may be? If the
> | ISO wants to cling to secret squirrel meetings with Terribly Important
> | Experts in closed rooms, that's its prerogative; but if it does, it can't
> | presume to be a modern global standards body with any credibility, and it
> | should make way for others to do the job.
> |
> | A transparent process should be a badge of honour for the participants, since
> | no one can then impugn their actions, and a basic act of respect towards the
> | users of that standard, who are not made to feel like peasants receiving
> | grace as the holy ISO tablets are handed down from Mount Geneva.
> |
> | Given the decidedly turbid process that has swirled around the
> | standardisation of OOXML, the need for some clarity is all the greater. The
> | idea of the ISO suing someone for doing what ought to be one of its primary
> | responsibilities, because it might result in a loss of “revenue” - as if the
> | whole point of the ISO and national standards bodies were to make money - is
> | sad in the extreme.
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> http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-source/blogs/index.cfm?en...
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> Recent:
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> ISO's Day of Shame
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> | Riiiight: so there was insufficient support among the technical boards for
> | their dirty laundry to be aired in public. What a surprise. The fact that
> | standards bodies representing the second- and fourth-most populous countries
> | in the world were unhappy with the way the standardisation process was
> | carried out doesn't matter, apparently.
> |
> | Time for a new international standards body, methinks....
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> http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/08/isos-day-of-shame.html
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> ISO Fantasy
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> | What OOXML Is · The ISO process, brutal and corrupt as it was, has been
> | covered to death by everyone. Its output, soon to be known as ISO/IEC 29500,
> | differs from ECMA-376 in two ways. ¶
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | What Microsoft really wanted was that ISO stamp of approval to use as a
> | marketing tool. And just like your mother told you, when they get what they
> | want and have their way with you, they’re probably not gonna call you in the
> | morning.
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> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/15/OOXML
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> IBM May Quit Technology Standards Bodies
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> | The Armonk, N.Y.-based computer maker is expected to announce the review
> | Tuesday, according to company officials. IBM has become frustrated by what it
> | considers opaque processes and poor decision-making at some of the hundreds
> | of bodies that set technical standards for everything from data-storage
> | systems to programming languages, those officials said.
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> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122211669212064331.html?mod=rss_whats...
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> Not a standard debate
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> | First, IBM is threatening to leave organisations that set standards for
> | software interoperability over concerns that their processes are not always
> | transparent (the ostensible references are to the ISO and Microsoft).
> |
> | Second, according to sources close to the development, the Bureau of Indian
> | Standards (BIS) — which met in New Delhi on the 22nd of this month — is
> | reviewing the ISO transparency issue while simultaneously exploring alternate
> | standards which emerge from bodies like the W3C and the Internet Engineering
> | Task Force (IETF).
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> http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=335446
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> HypocrISO and beyond
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> | Standards war is fun and HypocrISO makes it fun. Not in all parts of the
> | world resource battles are so harmless. The rejection of the HypocrISO
> | appeals offers opportunities for another wave of appeals.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | So let me give some points: What can be won through another ISO delay?
> |
> | * more OOXML uncertainty
> | * ISO to expose itself even more and get ready for procedural reform
> | * keep the debate in the news
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> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-82510/hypocriso-and-beyond
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> Detailed IEC Voting Results on OOXML Appeals
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> | As I reported yesterday, the OOXML appeals brought by Brazil, India, South
> | Africa and Venezuela have been rejected by the Technical Management Board
> | (TMB) and Standardization Management Board (SMB) of ISO and IEC,
> | respectively. I have now received the actual voting results for the IEC
> | vote, and an indecipherable screenshot of the ISO votes. I'll hope to add
> | the ISO votes later on when I get more comprehensible information, but in the
> | meantime, here are the IEC results.
> |
> | In each case, the questions included in the ballot were the same:
> |
> | a) Not to process the appeal any further
> |
> | b) To process one or more of the appeals, which would require setting up
> | of a conciliation panel
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> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2008081...
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> Computer experts stage street protest in Oslo against Microsoft document format
> as standard
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> | OSLO, Norway: Roughly 60 data experts staged a rare and noisy street
> | demonstration in downtown Oslo on Wednesday to protest the adoption of
> | Microsoft Corp.'s document format as an international standard and against
> | Norway voting for the move.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | He claimed the committee ignored the advice of the vast majority of the
> | Nordic nation's software experts, was pressured by Microsoft and
> | displayed "scandalous behavior."
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> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/09/business/EU-TEC-Norway-Digi...
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> OOXML triggers demonstration in Norway: "Let's throw OOXML out of ISO"
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> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-52412/ooxml-triggers-demonstration-in-...
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> Demonstration outside ISO conference
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> | Steve Pepper, the former Chairman of the Norwegian committee responsible for
> | deciding the Norwegian vote on OOXML, is calling for a demonstration to take
> | place outside the building where SC34, the ISO committee that has been landed
> | with OOXML, is holding its spring plenary.
> |
> | The demonstration will take place outside Håndverkeren, Rosenkrantzgate 7,
> | Oslo, Norway, on Wednesday April 9 at 12.00. Among the slogans are:
> |
> | * No to ISO approval of OOXML!
> | * Defend the integrity of ISO!
> | * Microsoft: Support ODF!
> | * Ecma: Withdraw OOXML!
> | * Norway must say no to OOXML!
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> http://blogs.freecode.no/isene/2008/04/07/demonstration-outside-iso-c...
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> Shenanigans Alleged on Road to OOXML Vote
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> | The events leading up to the ISO's decision on OOXML can best be described as
> | strange.
> |
> | Take the case of KT 182, the Polish technical committee responsible for the
> | OOXML standardization process, as described on Groklaw: Chairperson Elzbieta
> | Andrukiewicz was instructed that KT 182 should abstain from voting if a
> | consensus was not achieved. Well, it wasn't, and she said the members who
> | were absent could vote by e-mail E-Mail Marketing Software - Free Trial.
> | Click Here. -- but if they didn't vote, she'd take their non-response as a
> | yes.
> |
> | Later, when presenting the results of the ballot resolution, she showed a
> | slide that claimed 98 percent of the OOXML issues had been resolved during
> | the KT 182 meeting.
> |
> | When reminded this wasn't true, and told that the author of the PowerPoint
> | file was Paul Pesch, platform strategy manager at Microsoft Netherlands, she
> | threatened to sue anyone who repeated the assertion that Pesch was the
> | author.
> |
> | That slide had been shown at another meeting, and one of the Brazilian
> | delegates had complained about it.
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And M$ shills are accusing IBM of throwing toys out of the cot by
threatening to ignore ISO ODF is M$ successfully embraces, extends and
extinguishes it by stacking ISO committees.
IMO this is a possible nail in ISO's coffin.
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