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Re: choosing an editor

__/ [ GT ] on Sunday 05 March 2006 14:23 \__

>>>  Quanta
>> Powerful as a text editor, but I prefer KWrite (Kate). I notice from the
>> header that you are using KDE.
> I was under the impression quanta is designed for web design whereas Kate
> is only a (powerful) text editor. so apart from the fact that quanta is
> (obviously) a text editor too, are they not different in philosophy (kate
> not including web-related tools)?
> and yes, I am using KDE (could have been GNOME or other). Is this relevant
> ???
>>>  Screem
>> No clue, but obscurity is no indication of poor quality. If you intend to
>> compose many pages, it's worth investigating.
> thank you for an intelligent answer (I mean it).
> and yes I do intend to re-work my old web site, which will involve some
> substantial changes, and includes a quite few pages. but this is *not* a
> *project*, only an update (albeit a well-needed one!) which is but a small
> part of a larger framework, (**)so I cannot afford to spend weeks learning
> the intricacies of all html-related scripting languages, hence my need for
> either a wysiwyg soft (not my first choice by far) or a good html editor
> with extensive tools / shortcuts. a little like kile for latex if you wish
> (though I know a lot more about latex thant I do about html).
>> Frames are a terrible idea for many reasons. The only excuse for using
>> them in the first place is lack of wareness as to their long-term impact.
> which confirms my newly-acquired understanding.
>> Remember that while Dreamweaver caters for quick and intuitive tailoring
>> of pages, underlying code is mystifying and page appearance is prone to
>> breakage once you depart from Dreamwaver and your favourite Web browser.
>> You then need to mend pages using a text editor, so why not /start/ with a
>> text editor or -- *better yet* -- a content management system. Consider
>> Drupal, Plone, WordPress and the likes of them.
> I agree with you in principle and see above (**)
> now this is new : *what* is a "content management system"? what does it do
> and why would it be good to have one ? is there one included in linux ?
> how is it related to bluefish? (which so far seems my first choice, what do
> you think?)
>> Sites expand beyond expectation. Every long journey begins with a
>> footstep, or a mile. Invest properly at the start and you will understand
>> the benefits later.
> *precisely* my point! which is why I wish to use what is best for my
> purposes while having a nice superstructure to help me out (again, like
> kile). I do not seek laziness, just efficiency given my context.
>> All in all, I would suggest ditching text editors and WYSIWYG tools. The
>> latest generation of Web design paradigms is the CMS, provided you want a
>> consistent layout across your Web site.*
> I do, but bear in mind I am *not* looking for  perfection, only a decently
> made
> user-friendly  not wysiwyg soft that allows a reasonable newcomer (don't
> know much html, but can learn:) ) to produce a site in a reasonable time
> frame (a few days, maybe 2 weeks max for about 10-15 pages)
> again, kile is a good example. I used to use vi/m which I got to learn over
> the years, but the shortcuts provided for by kile makes for very quick
> lated writing. (while SWP under windows gave wysiwyg but ended up being a
> nightmare on latex street upon porting my latex to linux - had to rewrite
> about 80% of 100s of pages !)
> as for ditching test editors  : a little confused, I understood from above
> that you prefered kate, which is a text editor. or maybe you meant that
> given the choice you'd rather have kate but this choise what not in the
> context of building a website?
> and finally, what does "The latest generation of Web design paradigms is
> the CMS" mean??? it take is CMS = content management system?
> thank you
> G
> so : bluefish ? or am I barking up the wrong tree?

To  address  each  point in turn, Kate does *not*  provide  shortcuts  and
macros  for  HTML, but it highlights syntax using colours, which  will  be
helpful if you are fluent at HTML mark-up.

If  you  work  on your pages over FTP, be sure to open the files  in  Kon-
queror.  It will copy the file/s opened to /tmp locally and toss them back
onto  the server (in the background) whenever you save them. Give it a  go
and you will see what I mean. It's a productivity tool that Windows XP and
Mac  OSX users can only ever eye with envy. The filetypes and applications
used are arbitrary.

As  regards  the question on desktop environments, I use GNOME quite  fre-
quently,  but I would not describe it as suitable for development (Web de-
velopment  included) or editing as KDE, assuming 'out of the box' GTK  ap-
plications versus QT applications.

I have personally used LyX as a front-end to LaTeX since 2001. I know Kile
as  well  and I admire its cause (confer JabRef as well). As in  the  case
with  most technical toolsets, there is no guarantee that you will be able
to  escape  from lower-level, more pertinent aspects of the tool. I  still
use raw LaTeX for publications and, most likely, you will need to know raw
HTML  in  order to mend browser anomalies and implement browser hacks.  To
use  an  analogy: What happens when you are served with a strict TeX  tem-
plate?  This  is the equivalent of importing HTML/PHP/CGI/other pages  and
learning from existing ones.

I  suggest  you do some reading on the subject of content management  sys-
tems.  Based on the questions asked, you have misconceptions. A CMS is the
best  bar none tool for development of sites, in my humble opinion. It de-
pends  on  the nature of the site, of course, but for most personal  sites
(not  service-driven),  a CMS is the only way to go. Anyone  who  confutes
this  is  most likely showing resistance to an unknown and trying to  push
away and suppress novelty.

As a WordPress contributer, I urge you to make that a choice for your ren-
ovated  site.  It  is very intuitive and possible to master within  a  few

Best wishes and good luck,


PS - message automatically justified and hyphenated using TeX and Perl.

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