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Re: A GNOME versus KDE Debate Revived

__/ [ Larry Qualig ] on Thursday 18 May 2006 01:14 \__

> Da'Punk-A wrote:
>> Linonut wrote:
>> > After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out this bit o'
>> > wisdom:
>> >
>> > > Taking a Linus-like Attitude Towards Gnome
>> > >
>> > > ,----[ Quote ]
>> > > |       This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality?
>> > > |       mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are
>> > > |       idiots, only idiots will use it. I don?t use Gnome, because in
>> > > |       striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point
>> > > |       where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do. Please, just
>> > > |       tell people to use KDE.
>> > > |
>> > > | As the thread went on Linus became even more colorful in his
>> > > | criticism, calling the Gnome developers "interface Nazis" and citing
>> > > | examples of how Gnome's UI makes it take longer to do things.
>> > > `----
>> >
>> > Who cares?  I ran KDE on PCLinuxOS in a QEMU VM, and it was slower than
>> > Win 2000, although a lot more configurable up front than Win 2000 or
>> > Gnome.  ...

True. KDE is a dog, but it's a tradeoff which involves resources and power
(as in "function").

>> > ...And, for me, the extra configurability was simply candy.  Does
>> > anyone really care if they have a different background on each virtual
>> > desktop? ...

Actually, the background pictures help orientation, at in my case. Looking at
KPager and identifying the desktop with the bright yellow frame takes longer
than an overall impression (background picture). Furthermore, I quite like
having 4500 pixel-wide wallpapers that are connected at the edges of the
virtual desktops. It complements that sense of spatial orientation in a
large environment.

>> > ... A small pager will orient you just as well, and has the
>> > advantage that you can do operations within the pager.

KPager in KDE 3.1 does that as well. KDE 3.4 does it even more efficiently
than its predecessor. Windows and desktops are displayed as pixmaps, as

>> > I'm glad KDE offers that choice, but it's too much for me.  Hell, even
>> > Gnome is too much.  Gimme fluxbox or xfce.  But even then, I find myself
>> > liking the appearance of Gnome/GTK+ items and dialogs.  And, of all the
>> > GUI file managers I've tried, gnome-commander is the most lightweight,
>> > and yet also nice-looking and fairly configurable.

I never argue against the use of GNOME. I still have Ubuntu. *smile*

>> > I kinda thought Linus would be a config-file kinda guy anyway.  Maybe
>> > somebody gave him an atomic wedgie.

KDE is the Kernel Hackers Desktop Environment. Is it at all surprising that a
developer such as Linus prefers it to GNOME, which is generally more
simplistic. Besides, isn't Linus *THE* Kernel Hacker? He is the "K" in KDE.

>> I've only been using Linux for a few months, mostly Ubuntu with the
>> Gnome interface.  My only experience of KDE has been with a live CD of
>> SimplyMEPIS.  Maybe with more use, KDE would grow on me, but I haven't
>> really liked what I've seen of it so far.

My experience tells me that you need to know KDE fairly in order to take full
advantage of it. I started with GNOME if I recall correctly. After many
years with KDE, I continue to discover more KDE tricks _every single day_.
Even *without* upgrading it. If you ask me, KDE is extremely innovative.

> My SuSE machines run KDE and my Ubuntu boxes have Gnome. Personally I
> don't really care one way or another and don't see what the fuss is. I
> normally don't sit around and "run the desktop." To me the desktop is
> just a way to launch apps. I spend my time running applications, not
> playing with the desktop.

There are many things that I could point out, which are possible to do in
KDE, yet are inexistent in other desktop environment, OS X and Windows XP
included. The list would be very long.

>> Linus knocks Gnome for its simplicity, but I think it's as simple - or
>> complex - as you make it.  I don't see any marks of "interface nazism"
>> on it.

That was a very ugly statement. Just to think that GNOME are the less
commercially inclined... and they serve that kernel of Linus so well and
open the door to both the desktop and the server room.

>> I recently downloaded the xubuntu-desktop, and I like it too. It uses
>> xffm, I haven't used thunar yet.  I hope Ubuntu incorporate it into
>> xununtu soon.

They have tightened their relationshop to xfce, that's for sure.


(note: there are more recent and relevant references than this early 'scoop')

Best wishes,


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