In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ewok
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on 12 Jan 2007 02:56:42 -0800
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> Hans Schneider wrote:
>> What is this to be doing with Linux??
>
> Isn't it obvious? If banks insist on users using Internet Explorer,
> Linux users will have problems paying their bills via internet. Hence
> the irremovability of Internet Explorer is a direct attack against
> Linux. It is also a direct attack against all other web browsers. Many
> people won't install another web browser since it takes up more space.
> That would not be true if IE was removable. If IE was removable => more
> user, using other browsers. Companies forced to support all browsers on
> web sites => easier for Linux users.
>
> The fact is that it wouldn't cost more to make a web page that is
> compliant with all browsers.
I'm not entirely certain of that, thought most of that is
because of laziness, as you state below. But if one is
using a Microsoft tool (and Microsoft used to be darned
good at making tools), one might have difficulties making
a website that is not IE specific.
At this point I've not seen a FOSS tool that can handle
stylesheets in a reasonably nice GUI way (though the
browser displays the results of one's text edit attempts
readily enough), unlike Visual Studio. Of course I
prefer to have a W3C doc in front of me anyway, the few times
I bother working with highly specialized CSS; most of the time
I can write the few bits I do need from memory.
I'll have to see what Nvu can do. One problem: Nvu
doesn't handle <object> tags well enough for my liking,
though Mozilla displays them nicely. (Turns out IE
doesn't do <object> too well either, though that may
be in part because I'm running it under WinE. But try
putting an image into a <img src="picture.png"> tag, then
try <object data="picture.png" type="image/png" width="x"
height="y"> in IE; the results are probably going to look
a little wacky. I'll have to try it at home on my Win98
box to see if they still look wacky there. Ow, my brain.)
> I've seen web pages that have told me that
> I need Internet Explorer 6.0 or better to view their site. (I have
> Firefox, it is better.) The fact is that those moronic web developers
> haven't even checked whether it works, they just have a lazy standard
> javascript they put on every site.
There's multiple issues, of course, but that standard javascript
could easily be modified, presumably. More problematic are things
such as <OBJECT data="mypicture.png">.
> Whenever I get to a site like that
> is like that I check if I can use it in Opera. I have not once found
> any site that I can't load and browse with Opera. This means that the
> site works in other browser, yet they spend the extra time to put in a
> javascript that prohibits the user of another browser from viewing the
> site.
>
> So in short, anything that forces people to use IE, affects Linux
> Users.
Not to mention FreeBSD, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, ... though I think
proprietary Unix is being replaced by FreeBSD and Linux, and not
necessarily in that order. :-)
>
> /Your friendly neighbourhood Ewok
>
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