On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:37:38 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 10 November 2007 12:24 : \____
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:55:36 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug Mentohl <doug_mentohl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>> Tim Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, Roy. It's all a vast PR scheme ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the record, can you confirm that you are not recieving
>>>>> renumeration for posting either here or elsewhere on the web.
>>>>
>>>> Doubtful. Microsoft's cola shilcosystem is surely paid for.
>>>
>>> Have you any evidence for that? Frankly, the idiea is ludicrous.
>>
>> It's paid for. Not necessarily under the table though.
>>
>> If Microsoft partners get invited over, you know..,. to go on a jet plain and
>> be taken to nice meal, that's a form of payment. Microsoft developer and
>> partner events would be an example of this. It's the sharing of loot.
>>
>> See the following:
>>
>> Bribing Bloggers
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| This is the most frustrating thing about the practice of giving
>>| bloggers free stuff: it pisses in the well, reducing the credibility
>>| of all blogs. I'm upset that people trust me less because of the
>>| behavior of other bloggers. Don't even get me started about PayPerPost.
>>|
>>| [...]
>>|
>>| Do not, under any circumstances, consider upgrading an XP system to
>>| Vista... even if it's fairly new and even if it's Vista Supremo
>>| Premium Ultra-Capable.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/28.html
>>
>>
>> Microsoft really loves Bloggers !!!
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Microsoft regularly flies customers and industry experts to its
>>| campus in Washington to listen to the feedback given by those
>>| people.The company invites dozens of key customers and partners
>>| to the event,where they spend brainstorming as a group.But as of
>>| late, Microsoft has changed it's strategy and the company is
>>| making extensive use of blogs to get direct customer feedback.
>>|
>>| Within a year,more than 1000 Microsoft employee blogs featured
>>| developers and product managers talking directly to customers every
>>| day, instead of once a year.Microsoft employees read dozens of
>>| blogs every day to see how customers react to Microsoft products
>>| and services. In fact,Microsoft employees have taken a bigger leap
>>| and even contribute to other's blogs in the expanding space of
>>| Blogosphere.
>> `----
>>
>> http://thoughtsprevail.blogspot.com/2007/03/microsoft-really-loves-bloggers.html
>>
>>
>> Blogging for dollars raises questions
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Then there was the law firm looking to find clients who had used a
>>| certain birth control patch. The firm told bloggers to "get creative,
>>| have fun with your post and help spread the word" -- the word being
>>| that the patch was killing and injuring young women.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-blogs0319,0,5617465.story
>>
>>
>> Microsoft Traps and Hunts for Bloggers in India !!
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Microsoft has announced the "Microsoft BlogStars" contest, to Hunts
>>| for Developer Bloggers in India. After feeling the power and increase of
>>| the Bloggers community in India, Microsoft tries to trap and hunt Bloggers
>>| in India to buildup the blogging community, for writing blog posts
>>| supporting towards Microsoft Technologies.
>> `----
>>
>> http://i5bala.blogspot.com/2006/10/microsoft-traps-and-hunts-for-bloggers.html
>>
>>
>> Seattle Area Bloggers Needed for Microsoft User Research Study
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| For your participation, we'll give you your choice of retail
>>| software and hardware from our extensive list. Current titles
>>| include the latest Xbox, Xbox 360, and PC games, keyboards,
>>| Microsoft Office, Windows, productivity software and much more.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/usability_recruiting/archive/2007/01/05/seattle-area-bloggers-needed-for-microsoft-user-research-study.aspx
>>
>>
>> Microsoft's Laptop Giveaway Becoming PR Disaster?
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| This thing is starting to feel like a PR disaster. Bloggers are
>>| starting to smell blood and this thing very well may begin to
>>| turn into yet another episode of bloggers gone wild.
>> `----
>>
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/061228/23174_id.html?.v=1
>>
>>
>> Bribing Bloggers
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| It's a bribe. Period. You say nice things about us, you get nice
>>| things from us. Heck, just say neutral things about us-we'll give
>>| you a killer new laptop and we know that you'll be inclined to say
>>| better things about us.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2077596,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616
>>
>>
>> Getting a Vaio [with Vista, from Microsoft, even in March 2007]
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Microsoft Belgium rang me yesterday (I don?t think they realised it
>>| was a public holiday here!).
>>|
>>| [...]
>>|
>>| The phone call yesterday was to confirm my address - the laptop (a
>>| Sony Vaio - dunno which model or spec yet) is en route with Vista
>>| Ultimate and Office Ultimate pre-installed.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.tomrafteryit.net/getting-a-vaio/
>>
>>
>> INQhack survives Vistability test in Volesville
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| The Vole (Microsoft) supposedly invited The INQ over for tea because
>>| we are notorious "Microsoft doubters" - and we were accompanied by
>>| other supposed Vole doubters such as the folk from lifehacker and
>>| a very nice man from Slashdot, as well as some Microsoft MvPs.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36312
>>
>>
>> Microsoft desperately wants my love -- and yours
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| I spent December seventh, eighth, and ninth in Seattle as Microsoft's
>>| guest. Microsoft flew me there from Florida at its expense, put me up
>>| in a nice hotel, provided decent food, and comped me and four other
>>| invitees to this "special conference" with presentations about the
>>| marvels of Vista and other recent or upcoming Microsoft products. They
>>| didn't quite play the old Beatles song "Love Me Do" in the background,
>>| but it was the event's unstated theme.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/12/085222
>>
>>
>
> Kier knows very well that there is huge evidence for this. Kier is here
> to support the Microsoft agenda, which he does in an extremely subtle,
> but highly effective way.
Codswallop. I'm just sick of reading this nonsense. Not everyone who
doesn't toe your narrow line is a 'shill' or a plant or anything else.
Does it remotely occur to you they might simply believe they are in the
right? Do I think MS tries to influence people? Yes, of course they do.
But I doubt they always succeed
> Were he equally naive about all sides, then I'd consider him merely a
> little deaf and a little blind, but I do not believe that anyone could
> be so consistently naive about Microsoft, yet so anti the on-topic,
You are ridiculous, Mark. I DO NOT 'support' MS, nor am I naive. YOu are a
fool.
> pro-charter postings, even when claims are supported with acres of
> evidence, kier will express the same incredulity that Erik or Timmy
> would.
The evidence is flawed. Not completely, but enough to make it suspect. Roy
particularly needs to be more accurate and selective in his reporting, and
stop making assumptions. That's all I'm saying. He'd be a better and much
more effective advocate that way. You know it and I know it, but you
won't admit it.
> Kier is just another Erik. He's a lot smarter, of course, but still,
> he's just another Erik.
You fucking liar. Produce proof of this utterly dishonest statement or
retract it immediately.
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Kier
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