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[News] [Rival] Microsoft Does Not Give a S* About Standards (and Nothing Will Change)

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Microsoft Does Not Give a S* About Standards (and Nothing Will Change)
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:48:46 +0100
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
BillG sings blues over open standards, becoming obsolete, Winblad says

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| Winblad carefully avoided commenting on BillG’s reluctance to embrace open 
| standards but hinted that the company’s position will likely not change for 
| some time to come.  
| 
| [...]
| 
| “20 years ago I asked Bill what is the thing he feared most,” Winblad 
| recalled, “and he said it was that ‘We’d live to be 100 and we’ll be 
| carbon-based pets” of machines with artificial intelligence.  
| 
| “There will be no need for us,” she recalled Gates saying. 
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1479

B0rg.


Related:

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| [Microsoft:] ...we should take the lead in establishing a common
| approach to UI and to interoperability (of which OLE is only a part). Our
| efforts to date are focussed too much on our own apps, and only incidentally
| on the rest of the industry. We want to own these standards, so we should
| not participate in standards groups. Rather, we should call 'to me' to the
| industry and set a standard that works now and is for everyone's
| benefit. We are large enough that this can work.
`----

http://www.os2site.com/sw/info/comes/px09509.zip


Halloween Memo I Confirmed and Microsoft's History on Standards

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|  By the way, if you are by any chance trying to figure out Microsoft's policy 
|  toward standards, particularly in the context of ODF-EOXML, that same 
|  Microsoft page is revelatory, Microsoft's answer to what the memo meant when 
|  it said that Microsoft could extend standard protocols so as to deny 
|  Linux "entry into the market":    
|
|    Q: The first document talked about extending standard protocols as a way 
|    to "deny OSS projects entry into the market." What does this mean? 
|
|    A: To better serve customers, Microsoft needs to innovate above standard 
|    protocols. By innovating above the base protocol, we are able to deliver 
|    advanced functionality to users. An example of this is adding 
|    transactional support for DTC over HTTP. This would be a value-add and 
|    would in no way break the standard or undermine the concept of standards, 
|    of which Microsoft is a significant supporter. Yet it would allow us to 
|    solve a class of problems in value chain integration for our Web-based 
|    customers that are not solved by any public standard today. Microsoft 
|    recognizes that customers are not served by implementations that are 
|    different without adding value; we therefore support standards as the 
|    foundation on which further innovation can be based.          
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070127202224445 


Microsoft Looks for the Big Guns in OOXML In-Fighting

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| Bill Gates has reportedly been making phone calls to the Secretary of Defense 
| and the Secretary of Commerce to push the American National Standards 
| Institute to ignore the votes of its advisory committees and vote "yes" on 
| ISO standardizing Microsoft's Open Office XML (OOXML) format, the one in 
| competition with the OpenDocument Format (ODF) pushed by IBM and Sun.    
| 
| Gates reportedly picked up the phone when the last INCITS ballot failed by 
| one vote to support Microsoft. 
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http://xml.sys-con.com/read/419573_p.htm


Swiss Cheese [for OOXML]

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| The present spin doctors of Microsoft and ECMA managed to convince Mr. 
| Thomann to reject every serious technical and general concern we had 
| regarding OOMXL by pointing to compatibility reasons. At the end we had a 
| majority against Microsoft but which (giving the unfair rules) results in a 
| Swiss vote for Microsoft. Mr. Thomann was fretting and fuming at the end of 
| the meeting how it can be that successful international companies (we had 
| representatives from IBM, Google, ...) vote against the best interest of 
| their customers and theirself!       
| 
| Yes, this is how the democratic system at SNV / ISO works. After the meeting 
| I could not eat as much as I wanted to puke... 
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-15521/swiss-cheese


http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf


No is no, to OOXML

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| I’ve heard several reports of supporters of OOXML trying to get national 
| standards bodies to change their votes from “NO with comments” to “YES with 
| comments” because “it’s the same thing.” The logic, which I’ll explain in a 
| later post, is that any comments will trigger a ballot resolution meeting, so 
| there is no need to be so negative and vote NO.    
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http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1762


IBM is still locked out of the Portuguese OOXML meeting

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| In spite of various communications, we [IBM] are still locked out and will 
| not be allowed to participate. Microsoft will be there, as well as a special 
| Microsoft guest, as will various Microsoft business partners, and others.  
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http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1755


Microsoft criticized for Open XML petition

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| The petition is an attempt to make it appear that Open XML
| has "pseudo-grassroots" support, argues Mark Taylor, the
|      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| founder of the Open Source Consortium.
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6173625.html


W3C sets standards for SOA and Web 2.0

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| In early September W3C introduced Web Services Policy 1.5, giving developers 
| a way to connect web services standards such as SOAP 1.2, WSDL 2.0, and XML 
| Schema to new Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) based applications.  
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http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/09/17/grddl_web_services_policy/


Fast WLAN - will the standard fail?

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| The Australian research institution CSIRO holds a US patent covering the use 
| of certain WLAN technologies, such as multi carrier technology OFDM and  
| forward error correction (FEC). In 2005 they applied to the courts regarding 
| claims for licensing fees arising from the patent, which inspired a number of 
| WLAN businesses to launch a counter-suit. The following year, a court fund in 
| CSIRO's favour, the judge deciding that the patent was valid.    
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http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/96063/from/rss09


More obvious misgivings about Microsoft and SOA

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| My take is that inside of Microsoft its aggressor A-types are all about 
| dissing SOA and promoting .NET ad nauseam. At the same time the Microserfs 
| and developers must understand the inevitability of SOA for at last a portion 
| of the most advanced and innovative enterprises’ and service providers’ 
| architectures.    
| 
| And so, as the world turns toward SOA, Microsoft will fight quietly inside of 
| itself about what it really is as a company — a partner to its customers, or 
| a parasite on the hide of productivity.  
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2538


Microsoft: My way or the highway with SOA?

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| Microsoft isn’t changing its tune with SOA, the authors say, noting 
| that “Microsoft again appears to be crafting its own rules and vision. The 
| company has so far declined to participate in certain key emerging industry 
| standards relevant to SOA. It has a different perspective on what SOA is and 
| a different approach for crystallizing its vision.“    
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=931


Microsoft absent from open standards movement around SOA

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| Now, a new series of SOA standards is headed to OASIS, ones that could 
| create a whole market segment around SOA common programmatic principles, 
| but Microsoft is nowhere in sight. The absence of Microsoft from the 
| Service Component Architecture (SCA), and its sibling Service Data 
| Objects (SDO), definitions process can mean one thing: Microsoft will 
| pursue its proprietary approach of baking pseudo-SOA into its 
| operating system stack as long as it can.
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2483


Microsoft needs REST

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| Yaron Goland defended his Microsoft colleague, Dare Objasanjo, as a poor 
| sitting duck. He justifies the decision to scrap APP as tactical and not 
| strategic. He states: “We considered this option but the changes needed to 
| make APP work for our scenarios were so fundamental that it wasn’t clear if 
| the resulting protocol would still be APP… I also have to admit that I was 
| deathly afraid of the political implications of Microsoft messing around with 
| APP.” According to Goland, “we couldn’t figure out how to use APP without 
| putting an unacceptable implementation and performance burden on both our 
| customers and ourselves.”       
| 
| The implications for this APP vs. Web3S debate can potentially be enormous. 
| Just as we are on the brink of creating simple architectures that are 
| interoperable using simple standards, the industry risks splitting into 
| separate, incompatible camps again. It is probably no coincidence that we 
| have Microsoft on one side and Google, IBM and Sun on the other. This will be 
| a fundamental problem for enterprise customers if Microsoft extends this 
| strategy into any REST architectures that it introduces into the enterprise. 
| Any enterprise systems that expose their data using APP, which is likely in 
| the near future, will be incompatible with any Microsoft system that expose 
| their data with Web3S.         
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Newton/?p=14

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