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[News] Microsoft Carries On Tradition of OOXML Corruptions in Someone Else's House

  • Subject: [News] Microsoft Carries On Tradition of OOXML Corruptions in Someone Else's House
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:59:05 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Update on ODF Spreadsheet Interoperability

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| We'll probably also hear that 100% compatibility with legacy documents is 
| critical to Microsoft users and that it is dangerous to try to save Excel 
| formulas into interoperable ODF formulas because there is no guarantees that 
| OpenOffice or any other ODF application will interpret them the same as Excel 
| does. So one might try to claim that Microsoft is protecting their customers 
| by preventing them from saving interoperable spreadsheet formulas. But we 
| should note that fully-licensed Microsoft Office users have already been 
| creating legacy documents in ODF format, using the Microsoft/CleverAge ODF 
| Add-in. These paying Microsoft Office customers will now see their existing 
| investment in ODF documents, created using Microsoft-sanctioned code, get 
| corrupted when loaded in Excel 2007 SP2. Why are paying Microsoft customers 
| who used ODF less important than Microsoft customers who used OOXML? That is 
| the shocking thing here, the way in which users of the ODF Add-in are being 
| sacrificed.             


What OOXML is for?

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| If, they follow that statement through, it means OOXML will only work for 
| compatibility with previous versions of office documents and this stops at 
| MSOfiice 2007.  
| Of course it is easy to rewrite the charter, as it is only words. However, a 
| charter sets the guideline and scope for one’s work, in agreement with a 
| third party. That is why people do not like to alter the charter. Think about 
| a charter like the consitution for the group, it can be amended if there is 
| consensus, but should not be attempted with great caution, i.e., much greater 
| care than amending a rule.     


Does MS Office SP2 With ODF Support Really Work? Test Results Point to No.

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| I tried the updated Microsoft Office 2007 SP2, which supports ODF, or says it 
| does. I created a document in Office 2007 SP2 and saved it as ODF. I got an 
| ominous Microsoft warning that if I persisted, I might lose some 
| formatting -- "Document [name] may contain features that are not compatible 
| with this format. Do you want to continue to save in this format?" -- but it 
| saved the document when I clicked Yes. I reasoned that OpenOffice, which I 
| intended to use to test the result, does have the features I wanted. I had 
| included one footnote, a photo, and a text block, all of which OpenOffice can 
| do, but when I opened the saved document in OpenOffice, none of it looked 
| right. You couldn't read the footnote at all, because it's cut horizontally 
| in the middle of the text. You can see it's there, but you can't make out the 
| words.           
| I thought most of the problems, and there were others, might be my fault 
| though, because I've never used Office 2007 before, since I don't own it, and 
| I found it very confusing. Because I don't own Office 2007, and I had limited 
| access time to test on someone else's, I looked around to see if anyone else 
| was reporting results in the new SP2. I asked Groklaw members if they had 
| tried it out yet and how it worked for them. A Groklaw member, Dobbo, did a 
| test working on a spreadsheet with a client, and his experience was also a 
| failure.        


OOXML: Nobody knows (or cares) what it is for or why.

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| Microsoft implemented OOXML (their XML based file format which is essentially 
| a binary dump of the memory footprint of your document wrapped in an 
| amazingly obscure and illegible XML schema) in Office 2007. You may have even 
| received the odd file with a .docx or .xlsx extension. Then some kind of 
| panic happened in MS and they decided that because Governments and other 
| public bodies were asking for ODF (ISO/IEC 26300 Open Document Format 
| supported by many applications including OpenOffice.org) they’d better get 
| OOXML standardised too. So in a rush job, Microsoft’s specification publicist 
| ECMA took the format used on Office 2007, got the developer documentation and 
| wrote a bit more stuff around it and published it as ECMA 376. It then got 
| submitted to the ISO for “fast tracking”.          



Martin Bryan: we are getting “standardization by corporation”

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| A November informative report of Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34
| WG1 highlights the fallout of the ECMA-376 fast-track process for ISO. He
| says he is 'glad to be retiring before the situation becomes impossible'
| [...]
| In what is an astonishingly outspoken report, Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC
| JTC1/SC34 WG1 has given us insight into the total mess that Microsoft/ECMA
| have caused during their scandalous, underhand and unremitting attempts to
| get - what is a very poorly written specification {i.e. DIS 29500 aka OOXML,
| AR} - approved as an ISO standard. …


Dysfunctional ISO - Courtesy of Microsoft


Microsoft accused of stacking ISO committee

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| In a memo sent following his last meeting as head of the working group on
| WG1, which is handling Microsoft’s application to make the Word format an ISO
| standard as ECMA 376, outgoing Governor Martin Bryan (above), an expert on
| SGML and XML, accused the company of stacking his group.

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