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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
> __/ [ Sinister Midget ] on Monday 03 April 2006 10:33 \__
>> On 2006-04-03, Handover Phist <jason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted
>> something concerning:
>>> Roy Culley :
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>>>> <1f9nbyadqzv08.dlg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>>> Erik Funkenbusch <erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:27:17 -0400, rapskat wrote:
>>>>>> This isn't the way it goes.  The change is subtle, gradual.  Windows
>>>>>> wasn't an overnight success.  M$ didn't become the most powerful
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> company in the world over the course of a year.  Rome wasn't conquered
>>>>>> in a day.
>>>>> If by subtle and gradual, you mean not even on the radar.
>>>>> I have access to a lot of web site data for sites that have a wide
>>>>> spectrum of interest, and at best Linux could be counted in the 3%
>>>>> "unknown".  The actual stats that Identify themselves as Linux are
>>>>> less than 1%.
>>>> So back this unsubstantiated with verifiable data or shut up.
>>> There's an interesting thought. From a gaming website that I run (my
>>> stats arent counted or there would be MUCH more Linux traffic) over
>>> the course of a single day (yes, it very new and has little traffic):
>>>   Windows XP 229     78.97%
>>>   Windows 2000  34   11.72%
>>>   MacOS X    11      3.79%
>>>   Linux i686 6       2.07%
>>>   Windows 98 6       2.07%
>>>   Windows 2003       2       0.69%
>>>   Windows ME 2       0.69%

These are interesting, but the absolute totals are probably not large
enough to form a useful picture.  Also, the nature of the site might
tend to encourage one type of user more than another.  Personally,
although I still have some gaming interests, my kids are interested in
gaming, and I tend to look at Linux-centric gaming sites.  I suspect
that if you looked at happy penguin you'd see a very different (but not
necessarily more meaningful) picture.  Samething would apply to a
distro's site - how useful would Debian's stats be?

Larger absolute numbers from general purpose sites might be more use?

>>> So there we have it, a market segment (gamers) that prefer Windows over
>>> Linux to a huge degree. I would love to see Slashdot browser stats.
> FWIW, here are last month's stats from my main site. The stats exclude robots
> and crawlers, which sum up to similar figures:
>         Windows 573642  71.3 %
>         Unknown 98424   12.2 %
>         Linux   85656   10.6 %
>         Macintosh       42126   5.2 %
>         Unknown Unix system     1864    0.2 %
>         FreeBSD 1009    0.1 %
>         Sun Solaris     519     0 %
>         NetBSD  202     0 %
>         OS/2    163     0 %
>         OpenBSD 55      0 %
>         Others  122     0 %

These numbers are large enough to give a good picture for the top 4, but
not enough after that.  You'd want a /really/ big set of stats to get
the rest, I think.  perhaps google ;-)

> The numbers correspond to hits. bear in mind that unknowns are most likely
> Linuxes. Windows /does/ know how to identify itself uniformly.
>>> I dont think looking at those stats shows a fair representation since
>>> it's a Windows-centric site. So how would we go about gather a fair
>>> representation? Suggestions? I did have a poll on the site asking if
>>> people wanted to see what was offered for games on linux recently and
>>> there was a %100 yes reply from the users, but they generally know I've
>>> been using Linux for ages and am a reliable source for this sort of
>>> information, so is that a fair representation? I dont think browser
>>> stats are a good approach and I cant think of a good one off the top of
>>> my head.
>> Take a poll and ask them what /they/ use. Allow multiple selections.
> A poll would be no good. The selection of the sites is imporatnt too. Just as
> Microsoft selected 400 businesses which they claim preferred moving from
> UNIX to Windows rather than Linux, they could intervene with Web-based
> statistics. I wouldn't trust a word that comes from studies as long as money
> can be exchanged under the table and a certain company has plenty of FUD
> money to spare, as well as a motive.


>> Still not perfectly accurate, but better than counting user agent
>> strings. It would certainly be _more_ accurate if they're allowed to
>> show they use more than one thing.
> Frankly, my user-agent string does not include "Linux". I spoof it. Many
> others do the same, knowingly or unknowingly.
> Best wishes,
> Roy

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