Okay Roy... OOOPS See below! :-)
"Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> __/ [ KevinX ] on Thursday 23 February 2006 23:56 \__
> > "Laurent Bugnion" <lbugnion@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:43fe3a3c_3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Hi,
> >> KevinX wrote:
> >> > Laurent.
> >> >
> >> > Forgive me. You really *DO* miss the point..
> >> >
> >> > To quote you, once again:-
> >> > "It's a shame, though, that when people have a device that doesn't
> >> > they don't want spend time making it work better"
> >> No, you misunderstand what I said, and probably because I didn't say it
> >> well. Let me rephrase: I agree that the product, out of the box
> >> (especially if you have an old serie without the update) doesn't work
> >> well. Should it work better? As a software engineer, I see two types of
> >> clients: The ones who want the product NOW, even if it's not finished
> >> yet (i.e. the ones who bought the LifeDrive early), and the ones who
> >> want a product working reasonably well, and agree to wait for an update
> >> patch (or a service pack, or a version *.1, etc...).
> I know this text is not directed at myself, but to me, the issue is not
> essential upgrades, but the inability to study and comprehend the client's
> need. Slow interaction and startups are a killer. I find it hard enough
> (pardon my language) going for a wee without the ability to write what's
> my mind in the interim. That's why a PDA is usually in my pocket, even at
> the gym. The LD completely ignores it. It's big, it's sluggish.
> >> Me as an engineer, I would prefer my clients to wait that I sort out
> >> bugs, that I deliver a version running fairly well (as we all know,
> >> software systems are so complex that it is impossible to solve all the
> >> bugs, but as usual in engineering, you have to accept compromises).
> >> However, it's not the engineer who decides when the product is released
> >> it's marekting and management, and they get tremendous pressure from
> >> clients A (the ones who want the product NOW).
> >> Now my reaction was motivated by your bad preparation as a client, and
> >> also by your bad reaction after the purchase. The LifeDrive has been
> >> long enough that all flaws you mention are known by users A. They have
> >> been reported over and over, and they are all over the internet. You,
> >> however, decided to buy one anyway. I guess you didn't inform yourself
> >> prior hand, am I right? Or else you wouldn't have reacted so
> >> aggressively. Now, when you buy a device costing more than XXX U$ (XXX
> >> being a limit depending on your income, your personal preference,
> >> etc...), it is really not reasonable to buy it without doing a little
> >> prior reading (aka homework). It is even less reasonable to believe
> >> the vendor will tell you. These are basic facts governing the gadget
> >> lover's life ;-)
> Good point. To refute just a slight bit if I may: the Palm Web site will
> say a word about speed. This still requires a live demonstration or
> rant-of-mouth (sic).
> >> And then, after you noticed that your device has, indeed, the flaws
> >> you have been warned against (if you did your homework, that is), the
> >> next reasonable step is to do more homeworks, and to read all over the
> >> internet how to solve these flaws. You instead chose to post to a
> >> newsgroup, probably to release your frustration (which had no reason to
> >> be there in the first place, since you knew about the flaws before
> >> buying (if you did your homework, that is).
> By posting to this group, Kevin warmed others. perhaps a subject line like
> "LifeDrive is painfully slow" would have been less generalised and not
> to presumptions.
> >> So my point is (and I didn't miss it, IMHO) that you didn't do your
> >> homework. And then that you didn't do your homework again. So you're to
> >> blame. Twice. Now go to the blackboard and write 1000 times "I will not
> >> rant in newsgroups and most importantly, I will not tell Laurent that
> >> missed the point!" ;-)
> >> Admittedly, the LifeDrive could work better. It's true. It needs
> >> it needs technical knowledge, it needs spending some time on internet
> >> check how to make it work better. But my point was that you had all
> >> possibilities to know about it before you bought. Thus I don't think
> >> that the rant is legitimous.
> >> Let me finish by saying that I am sorry that you got this frustration,
> >> and I dearly recommend you to buy another model, with less capabilities
> >> but more solid. I was very happy with Sony Cliés, and there are still a
> >> few TH55 out there. They also had many problems in the start, but they
> >> are old now and the problems have been sorted out. Buying the latest
> >> models is never a good idea unless like me, you just love to tweak and
> >> tune your gadgets.
> This relates to another route down this thread. I love playing with
> but I used to do it far more when I was younger. I am now a dog that is
> stubborn enough to refuse to learn new tricks.
> >> > Out of the box it SHOULD work better (than an "inferior" earlier
> >> >
> >> > A year down the line, then yes, maybe it could do with a little
> > tweaking,
> >> > and searching to "update" it. But NOT "out of the box", yet you seem
> >> > think this correct??
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your interesting comments though.
> >> >
> >> > K
> >> And thanks for the moderate tone of your post, though my previous post
> >> was a bit too sarcastic for my taste.
> >> Greetings,
> >> Laurent
> > Okay, Laurent.
> > Having just returned from the blackboard (with aching fingers!).
> > Quite true, I did NOT do my homework, nor did I research the unit.
> > Previous units Handspring Visor, and then (about three years ago) the
> > Tungsten T.
> > Quite happy with the Tungsten T, and when I purchased I favoured it a
> > tool", and proved so (in my opinion).
> > Few little glitches here and there, but nothing drastic.
> When I come to think of it, I could have happily stayed with the M130. I
> actually said that ever since I got the Tungsten. The M130 obviated the
> for a laptop. Just pull handheld out of pocket, folding keyboard out of
> other pocket, unfold and you're ready to go. Who said novelty is always an
> indication of pragmatic progress?
> > I bought the LD, as a result of the theft of my TT, and thought the LD
> > (virtually) the latest, and best "up to date" from the Palm stable. No,
> > didn't do any previous research, but "thought" it would be fine, and an
> > improvement over the TT.
> The thief must have done good research. (S)he stole the Tungsten. *smile*
> > How wrong I was :-(
> > The rest is history....
> > I (foolishly) expect to turn the unit on, get past the security (no
> > problem) and then start inputting data. This is where things become
> > and a soft reset (had to do again today) can take up to 2 mins, before
> > unit is ready to run again.
> > Okay, 120 secs doesn't seem a lot, but I find it terribly frustrating.
> [sarcasm /]
> 120 seconds?!?! How about you get a notepad, write your mind onto it while
> the LD is loading up, then copy the notes to electronic form when the LD
> finally 'ready to go'.
> Don't kill me, Laurent I being am very sarcastic here.
> > As you RIGHTLY stated.... I should have done my homework/research first.
> > PS/ What mixer do you have for the kitchen?? (Rhetoric, Laurent, pure
> > rhetoric..) ;-)
> > Cheers
> > Kevin
> @Kevin. Thanks for the compliments. By the way, I suggest you glance at
> It will probably serve you well as it increases the chances of having your
> message read and subsequently replied to.
> With kind regards,
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Thanks for your continued support, Roy, and your empathy.
I liked your comment about using a notepad, whilst waiting the LD to awake
from it's "doze" :-)
Again, 100% with you on the "keeping it handy, and when going for a pee...."
I understand where you're coming from, and (yet again) you are 100% correct.
It's good to have others who agree.
I take your note on "bottom posting" (in fact I ALMOST made a postscript to
such effects last evening, but deleted it).
Be lucky, and thanks for your support, and kind comments.