__/ [ cc ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 22:25 \__
> On Mar 21, 10:30 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> __/ [ cc ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 11:28 \__
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>> > On Mar 20, 10:45 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >> __/ [ cc ] on Tuesday 20 March 2007 22:44 \__
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>> >> > On Mar 20, 11:57 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> __/ [ cc ] on Tuesday 20 March 2007 10:45 \__
>>
>> >> >> > On Mar 20, 4:32 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> __/ [ John A. Bailo ] on Tuesday 20 March 2007 06:12 \__
>>
>> >> >> >> > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell "protection racket"
>>
>> >> >> >> >> | More than that, though, Perens said, if the Novell-Microsoft
>> >> >> >> >> | patent deal is allowed to stand. It would take only as few
>> >> >> >> >> | as "two or three intellectual property law-suits" of
>> >> >> >> >> | open-source developers or small business at a cost of at
>> >> >> >> >> | least $5 million dollars a pop, to destroy open-source
>> >> >> >> >> | development.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Good. Then those guys can get a payoff and maybe buy some new
>> >> >> >> > clothes.
>>
>> >> >> >> Johh, shut up, okay? It's not even funny.
>>
>> >> >> > So Novell has a chance to spread Linux far and wide, and the Linux
>> >> >> > community is up in arms over it. Figures.
>>
>> >> >> That's then type of thing Novell would have you believe. The amount
>> >> >> of damange it has done (and will continue to do) by far outweights
>> >> >> the value of these coupons, which Microsoft uses to create unfounded
>> >> >> fear.
>>
>> >> > Where's the proof of this damage? You see Microsoft together with
>> >> > Linux and assume nothing good can come of it? Microsoft helped bail
>> >> > out Apple remember, and look where they are today. Not that they
>> >> > weren't helping themselves as well, but still.
>>
>> >> *LMOA*
>>
>> >> Bail out? Eliminating competing software suites? Technical sabotage and
>> >> illegal acts to pull the plug on Netscape? They choked Apple using
>> >> crime. How does guilt fit into this? Could Microsoft have seen the
>> >> danger of excessive backlash? Microsoft is more powerful than
>> >> governments because it's inclined to comply with no law and it is
>> >> susciptible and subjected to no regulation. Whenever it violates a law,
>> >> it just bribes the right people. And it has got the connections, all
>> >> around the world (proxies, lobbyists, pressure groups, and business
>> >> partners).
>>
>> > Do you have proof that they choked Apple using crime, or are you just
>> > spitting it out because it sounds nice? Sure Microsoft almost put
>> > Apple out of business, but Apple made a comeback(in part) because of
>> > Microsoft as well. The rest of that is just Rex Ballard paranoia talk.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> Macs have Netscape. I know this because I used a Mac for over a year, but
>> Netscape just wouldn't play nice in today's Web. Why? Because Microsoft
>> hijacked the Web, elbowed Netscape, and added proprietary component to Web
>> sites. So, without IE, how can a Mac user even access the Web?
>
>
> Firefox? Microsoft doesn't add proprietary components to web sites
> either. Stupid web designers do. I think they shoulder the blame on
> that.
ActiveX. FrontPage stuff. Microsoft gives developers stuff with which to
'contaminate' the Web and punish non-Windows users.
>> >> Don't pretend that Microsoft plays nice. It just spins the world any
>> >> way it desires. Allowing corporate power to reach the stage where even
>> >> Novell needs to sell Linux through Microsoft -- with Microsoft's
>> >> 'permission' -- pretty much tells you the story, doesn't it? Everyone
>> >> has a price. Microsoft vacuums money by forcing people to use its
>> >> products (no choice available) and then using that money to continue
>> >> the cycle of abuse.
>>
>> > I'm not pretending Microsoft plays nice. I'm not saying that the
>> > Novell deal was out of the kindness of their heart. They obviously
>> > expect to get something out of it too. But so far nothing bad has come
>> > of the Novell deal.
>>
>> Microsoft's CEO has already stated that the deal was about IP. That was
>> last month.
>>
>> > You're speculating about events that will probably
>> > never happen.
>>
>> They already happened. Microsoft threatened vendors. There's also
>> extortion, namely request for 'protection money' from large Linux users.
>
> You saying it does not make it true.
Customer said this. They did this 'off the record' because it's illgal. But
the word reached the press.
>> > You see the word Microsoft and instantly form your crazy
>> > conspiracy theories about how they are trying to eliminate everything
>> > and take over the world. Once upon a time the US went into Iraq
>> > because it saw a connection to Al Qaeda and assumed that there must be
>> > WMDs. How did that work out?
>>
>> No, that's self interest of American tycoons. It was possibly a ploy. No
>> speculation, but that's open to debate. Let's not discuss politics though.
>> :-)
>>
>
> I'm not trying to discuss politics. I was just saying that just
> because it seems believable doesn't mean it's the case. Sure Microsoft
> could be trying to remove Linux completely from the world, but you
> have no proof that that is their intent. There is also no proof that
> it is even possible(seems very unlikely to me). If Microsoft can ruin
> Linux simply by partnering with a single Linux vendor(out of what,
> 400+ distros?) then what does that say about Linux and it's various
> licenses? All in all this will probably amount to a whole lot of
> nothing, just like most of what Microsoft does.
The above scenario is impossible. The GPL makes this scenario a hard one for
Microsoft to cope with. Linux (or more broadly, Free/libre Open Source)
remains free and it continues to be developed by as many as a million
people. It long ago became better than Windows and its adjunct projects, but
Microsoft does not want people to know this. And it sabotages things like
interoperability to maintain nuisance on the other side of the fence.
--
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