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Re: Microsoft and Novell Celebrate Year of Interoperability, Expand Collaboration Agreement

____/ Peter Kränkwonov on Wednesday 28 November 2007 20:02 : \____

> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> ____/ 7 on Wednesday 28 November 2007 19:19 : \____
>>> Peter Kränkwonov wrote:
>>>> Robin T Cox <nomail@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:44:28 +0100, Peter Kränkwonov
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Good news for Linux - Novell continue to embrace Microsoft's track
>>>>>> record of getting products out there onto desktops.
>>>>>> "REDMOND, Wash., and WALTHAM, Mass.? 08 Nov 2007? One year after signing
>>>>>> a landmark agreement to build a bridge between open source and
>>>>>> proprietary software, Novell and Microsoft Corp. today unveiled
>>>>>> continued strong momentum behind the agreement."
>>>>>> "Having exceeded their original business targets, the companies continue
>>>>>> to see strong demand for interoperability and intellectual property (IP)
>>>>>> peace of mind. In addition, Novell and Microsoft announced an expansion
>>>>>> of their technical collaboration to create a cross-platform
>>>>>> accessibility model that links together the existing Windows and Linux*
>>>>>> frameworks used to build assistive technology products that enable
>>>>>> people with disabilities to interact with computers."
>>>>>> This can only be good news for Linux users everywhere.
>> No, it is not. Linux was doing fine before Microsoft decided that it needs
>> to be 'taxed'. It essentially 'bribed' Novell to accept guilt. Novell needed
>> the money because it faced NASDAQ delisting at the time (Fargo Bank
>> issues). That
> If Novell were doing fine then why did they need money? You don't make a
> good business argument here I am afraid.

Look for the NASDAQ delisting warnings Novell received in 2006. You can search
the Web and find many stories about this. Novell also sacked very many
employees in late 2005.

>> was after Microsoft had betrayed Novell with very nasty, anticompetitive
>> tricks.
> What tricks. I am unaware of these but would like to learn.

See Novell's trials which involve Microsoft (prior to 2006). There's a good
record of this and Microsoft paid to settle on various occasions. Mind things
like the E-mail from Microsoft's Jim Allchin which says they "need to
slaughter Novell before they get stronger". In other E-mails he spoke about
needing to copy from Novell (not these exact words)

>>>>>> Microsoft's
>>>>>> skills at targeting corporate desktops and servers with Novell's
>>>>>> knowledge of whats hot and whats not in the Open Source jungle.
>>>>> Probably it's rather more good news for Microsoft, who are looking
>>>>> forward in future to clinging to the coat-tails of Linux as their
>>>>> prospects of cornering the world market in computing disappear down the
>>>>> tubes.
>>>>> Whether Linux will accept them, of course, is moot, as Microsoft seem to
>>>>> have very little to contribute to the future of computing.
>>>> I am confused. What do you mean? Linux has almost no desktop presence
>>>> and M$ has nearly it all. M$ and Windoze already cornered the
>>>> market. What are you meaning here? Or am I not understanding something
>>>> here in the figures you talk about?
>>> That statement falsely assumes you have some approved tool to measure
>>> Linux desktop usage.
>> See this one from yesterday:
>> Mozilla & Firefox Market Share
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | This is a super-long post, so I’ll start with the punchlines:
>> | 
>> | * We think there are at least 125,000,000 Firefox users in the world
>> | right now, give or take. That represents a doubling since Firefox 2 was
>> | released a little over a year ago, and significant growth in every
>> | country.
>> `----
>> http://john.jubjubs.net/2007/11/27/mozilla-firefox-market-share/
> I am not sure I understand your meaning. Surely market share is the
> ratio of how many users are being had for Linux compared to how many for
> other operatings systemes. No need to be too clever. it makes sense to a
> man and his dog I think. But even from my travels I know Linux is still
> very minority everywhere but at our Linux stammtisch!

Linux plays a key role in many machines that are not connected, e.g. desktops
that are used in rendering studios. These are packaged as appliances. Other
machines you do not get to see often are quietly appearing in places that
migrate to Linux (there's no company to rave about this in the media).
Examples include Kerala, with population of almost 30 million and a state-wide
migration to Debian.

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