On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:34 -0700, Larry Qualig wrote:
>
> On Apr 6, 11:54 am, tha...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> Larry Qualig <lqua...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >> but generally he checks his data thoroughly,
>>
>> > Complete bullshit. He spams 100's of messages each week. He doesn't
>> > check shit and he's even admited that he doesn't have time to check
>> > his posts. Now you're the liar.
>>
>> Roy is acting as a news aggregator, not a journalist.
>
> It's quite remarkable how often this "news aggregator" adds comments,
> remarks and changes titles of "NEWS" stories to what was never written
> in the articles. Quite deceptive. Others would call this lying rather
> than deception.
>
>
>> The expectation
>> of thorough fact checking and editorial review is misplaced. The
>> fact checking and such is more the role of the COLA community. This
>> is a forum after all, not The New York Times. His posts serve as the
>> seeds of discussion. Yes, he sometimes screws up a title or a
>> summary.
>
> To me "screwing up" means that an innocent mistake was made
> accidentally. Intentionally changing titles and stories to what was
> never written in order to deliberately mislead readers is lying, plain
> and simple.
>
>
>> You may even disagree with some of his personal commentary.
>> But I've never seen him purposefully lie (that I can tell) and I find
>> his posts mostly appropriate for this group.
>
> The Linux posts are fine (but a bit plentiful) for this group. But the
> other 80% of posts about the Zune and XBox360 and other MS centric
> posts can be done without and the group would be better for it.
>
>
>> >> and he knows the field.
>> > He doesn't know shit. He's a child who lives in a dorm room that's
>> > still supported by mommy and daddy. He's never had a job, family, home
>> > and has yet to pay taxes or earn enough to support himself. Perhaps
>> > compared to *you* he's experienced and knows something but to most of
>> > us here, he's a pathetic little child who's starving for attention.
>>
>> I don't typically jump in the middle of these sorts of personal
>> mud slinging festivals, but what the heck.
>>
>> All I really know about Roy is what I've read here or on his website.
>> Yes, he is a student... a PhD student with some solid academic
>> accomplishments and published papers. He is obviously a supporter of
>> open source software and is active in the community. His ability to
>> sustain that level of activity while doing the PhD grind indicates to
>> me that he is a motivated and capable person.
>
>> When he gets out in the big scary 'real world'
>> of which you speak, I'm sure he will do
>> just fine.
>
> He'll do "just fine" based on what? Based on his being a professional
> student his entire life? Let's look at this a bit more objectively.
Yes, lets'. He's what, 22? That means he's been a student maybe four
years. Hardly his entire life, I think.
> Here we have someone who instead of focusing on his academics (that is
> why we go to school isn't it?) he spends about 18 hours each day
Proof, please.
> posting several thousands of posts each month to some obscure
> newsgroup. A single day doesn't go by where he doesn't spend nearly
> every waking moment posting to COLA. Christmas day... most people were
> doing something worthwhile but Roy spends 18-20 hours on Christmas
> posting here.
>
> Given the number of posts and the frequency of posts (hardly an hour
> goes by without him posting) it's difficult if not impossible to see
> time for friends, social activies and *real* life. Throw in the hours
> he spends on his web-site, groklaw and his various other anti-MS
> crusade outlets and the total time becomes very substatial.
How do you know he doesn't automate it? In fact, he spends so little time
on it that he often fails to fully check up his facts, and frequently
misspells stuff - and has said so, more than once.
>
> Aside from the unhealthy obsession, one that most normal people in the
> general public would consider to be borderline psychopathic, there's
Really? Care to prove that?
> the entire dishonesty aspect to it. Posting truthful and semi-balanced
> news is one thing. But intentionally distorting truth and facts to the
> point of absurdity certainly doesn't give the impression that he is of
> a healthy state of mind.
>
> Let's not forget the paranoia. There's a "Microsoft bogey man" behind
> every tree and anything that's bad which happens in the world somehow
> has Microsoft to blame. Anything he doesn't agree with is the fault of
> Microsoft and all that's pure and good can only be attributed to
> Linux. Oh yeah... that's real healthy.
Remember flatfish and his obsessive dislike of Linux? Where were you then?
Did you criticise him?
IMO, Roy should tone down the anti-MS rhetoric, but so should the
anti-Linux trolls stop slandering Linux and Linux advocates. That way, we
might get better discussions going. If you're going to criticise Roy, do
the same with the dickheads who have so often flooded this newsgroup with
anti-Linux rubbish.
Young people often see the world in more black and white terms than older
people.
>
> Oh yeah... he'll do well. Be sure to watch for him on your local news
> when his obsession leads him into becoming the next uni-bomber. Except
> that instead of going after the logging industry his mental illness
> will lead him to sending letter bombs to Microsoft offices.
That's waaay over the top and down the other side, Larry. YOu don't have
nay justification for such a foolish suggestion, which could easily be
taken as libellous. Please tone it down.
>
>
>
>> His opinions of the technology world are no doubt colored by his open
>> source idealism, and perhaps they will shift with post-school 'real
>> world' experience, or perhaps not. It is usually those people with
>> deep convictions (often ridiculed as naive) that charge ahead and bring
>> change. The future belongs to those with the courage and motivation
>> to act on their ideals, to shape the world into what they believe it
>> can be.
>
> Then perhaps he should channel his energy into something that's
> actually PRODUCTIVE. Posting repetitive news drivel to a bunch of
> fanatics isn't bringing about change or shaping the world. It's a
Whoa there, boy. *I'm* certainly no fanatic. Nor are the majority of the
posters here.
> waste of time. I post here once in a while. Not because I'm foolish
> enough to think that it makes one bit of difference. I do it for the
> entertainment value. It's on par with watching television and a good
> way to waste a little bit of time, perhaps learn a thing or two once
> in a while and to have some fun. I certainly don't view anyone posting
> here as "shaping the world" in any way.
So, you don't. Maybe he does.
>
>
>> Is Roy such a person? I have no idea. I do know, however, that if
>> Linux ever does take over the desktop, it wont be through the efforts
>> of the people who sat silent on the sidelines believing that nothing
>> will ever change.
>>
>> Keep posting, Roy. Many of us appreciate it.
>>
>> Thad
>>
>
>> P.S. For those of you who don't like his [News] posts, just set a
>> damn filter in your newsreader already.
>
>
> And most new visitors to this group are likely to visit it via Google
> Groups in which case filtering isn't an option and they will move onto
> a group that's readable.
Depends on what they're looking for. When I arrived here some years ago,
it was filled with rants by flatfish. If that didn't put me off, chances
are others won't run away just because Roy posts a lot of NEWS.
--
Kier
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