In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roy Schestowitz
on Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:52:42 +0100
> __/ [ The Ghost In The Machine ] on Tuesday 28 March 2006 20:59 \__
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roy Schestowitz
>> on Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:14:40 +0100
>>> __/ [ ray ] on Tuesday 28 March 2006 16:59 \__
>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:42:16 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>> < snip />
>>>> We're due to have one of their four head systems installed at the
>>>> Portneuf District Library in Idaho. This follows on the successful
>>>> deployment of Mandrake Linux on the public access internet computers last
>>>> year - a VERY successful deployment, I might add. No complaints in over a
>>>> year, and a recent customer satisfaction survey showed universal
>>>> acceptance and revealed that several patrons were unaware they were not
>>>> running MS.
>>> Is this /truly/ the test for success? It leaves me with a bad taste in the
>> I can't say I'm all that happy about it myself, and there
>> are rather sinister implications if Microsoft wants to
>> exhume a certain look-and-feel suit (which ultimately got
>> rejected -- but that was then; this is now, although stare
>> decisis might give us some protection).
> That's just what I thought. Think of all these iPod copycats that vanished
> due to lawsuits.
Can't say I've personally seen any. :-) I have seen an occasional
iPod in the store, admittedly.
>> Of course it depends on how perceptive the customers are.
>> Presumably, if a customer stares at a desktop long enough
>> he might forget *what* the background color is. :-)
>> What is a webbrowser anyway? It's a standardized fat client
>> with client-server communications capabilities.
> In some cases, it has client-server-filesystem capabilities;
> And it has poor comprehension of security and separation of
> the two (or perhaps the code is not sufficiently modular,
> IE/i.e. messy).
I'd have to see what Mozilla is like in that respect, though I'm
not sure where to *start* in the code. :-) IE, for its part, is
a glorified OLE browser with a bolted-on HTML parser, as far
as I can tell.
>>> Here at the Student Halls we deployed Windows terminals to handle the
>>> simple task of running a browser with a Web form to serve as a
>>> communication gateway.
>> With IE? Oy.
> That particular IT department is very Microsoft-oriented. Fortunately, it is
> also VNC-friendly and has recently gone Web-based.
There's hope. :-)
>>> Needless to mention, the machines crash quite often (leading to
>>> plenty of trouble as they only get manned the following day) and are a
>>> pain to maintain (updates, cleanups and other types of drek on a platter).
>> As opposed to Linux which can be administrated remotely by IT
>> (as opposed to a malware writer :-) ).
> Precisely. Well, I'm 24, so I haven't a hand on any policies.
Gad, now I feel old. :-) I was born in '61.
>> <snip />
>>> Precisely. Such success stories must be echoed rather than have success be
>>> taken for granted. Look how a state of quiet existence leads Windows
>>> advocates in this group to suggesting a failure (notably Munich and
>>> academic institutes). Google mention nothing about their stock of
>>> Debian-type boxes. It's irrelevant. They just handle the workload.
>>> Quiet is a positive sign.
>> In some ways. The problem is quiet can equate to nonexistence (and
>> certainly to non-perceptance); "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".
>> <snip />
> This argument can be extrapolated to account for Linux usage myths. You
> rarely have a Linux box brought to an engineer or a shop.
And one wonders why.
 Linux users can fix their own problems?
 Linux systems rarely break down?
 Linux systems are bought with better hardware?
 Linux system owners think shops can't figure out what's going on?
 All of the above?
Not that it's a bad thing but it does appear complicated. :-)
> Best wishes,
Windows Vista. Because everyone wants a really slick-looking 8-sided wheel.