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Re: [News] Linux Fury at MSBBC Claimed to be Justified

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:17 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ Mark Kent on Thursday 17 January 2008 08:01 : \____
> 
>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:02 : \____
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:57:05 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> ____/ Tom Shelton on Wednesday 16 January 2008 07:40 : \____
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2008-01-16, Mark Kent <mark.kent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>>> ____/ Tom Shelton on Tuesday 15 January 2008 23:52 : \____
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2008-01-15, Kier <vallon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:35:06 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Tuesday 15 January 2008 16:23 : \____
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I particularly liked the "More than £20 million" as the figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given for the skin the BBC bought for Microsoft's Silverlight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> player. Accepted estimates put the figure at around £100 million,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would suggest that Mark Thompson's response should have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> " £80 million more than £20 million, in fact, coming to about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> £100 millions of licence-fee cash spent on a skin for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft-only player".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heads should roll for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, how can a DG /not/ know what the numbers were?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> What's with ActiveX anyway? It's kind of new to me. I saw another
>>>>>>>>>>>> article about this later and they both seem to suggest that the BBC
>>>>>>>>>>>> not only requires that you use Windows, but also that you use that
>>>>>>>>>>>> buggy spyware called IE (no Firefox support). In case you didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know, IE7 is spyware indeed... Microsoft keeps hush-hush about it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but it knows who you are and exactly what Web pages you visit!
>>>>>>>>>>>> People must be told about this. The BBC puts you in DRM prison and
>>>>>>>>>>>> forces you to use Windows and IE. Outrageous. How many Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>>> users are there in the UK?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft Silverlight/iPlayer wasn't ever intended to promote
>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox, rather, it was intended to use BBC Licence-payer cash to
>>>>>>>>>>> support Microsoft's attack on Firefox, Mac and Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any actual proof for this silly claim?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Especially since his full of total crap...  Silverlight is supported
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> Windows and Mac OS X (PPC and Intel)  and by IE6,IE7, FireFox 1.5 and
>>>>>>>>> 2.0,
>>>>>>>>> and Safari.  And MS is working with Novel to produce Moonlight - the
>>>>>>>>> Linux version of Silverlight.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We're talking about ActiveX (I was anyway).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point remains that Microsoft have never had any intention of making
>>>>>>> Silverlight/iPlayer functional on anything other than Windows.  After
>>>>>>> spending £100 million of licence-fee payer's cash, even the BBC DG was
>>>>>>> lying to MPs about this, although later claimed an "error".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kier is here to troll, as is Shelton.  They're best ignored, Roy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You are a real peice of work, Mark.  I pointed you to a link with the
>>>>>> supported platforms and browsers, yet you continue to insist on making
>>>>>> this completely wrong statement.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Silverlight supported platfomrs: Windows XP SP2, Windows Vista, Mac OS
>>>>>> (PPC and Intel).  Linux support is in development.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, no Silverlight for Linux. And Moonlight ain't Silverlight either. Not
>>>>> the mention patent and ditribution issues...
>>>> 
>>>> The Linux player is in development. So unless you can *prove* it is not,
>>>> maybe you'd better stop saying so.
>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>> Broswers: IE6, IE7, FireFox (1.5 and 2.0), Safari
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you know that Silverlight is said to "work better" with Vista? I'm
>>>>> pretty
>>>> 
>>>> What does that have to do with it? It still works on the other platforms
>>>> mentioned.
>>> 
>>> No, not Linux. There is no Silverlight for Linux. Moonlight is a
>>> half-hearted clone with a patent baggage.
>>> 
>>>>> sure I read this somewhere that's reliable. It's about making everyone but
>>>>> Microsoft a second-class citizen _on the Web_. Not to worry. The EU
>>>>> investigates this latest scam.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe you shoul stop and think. There is no 'scam' involved.
>>> 
>>> Yes, none. There's never bribery, just "marketing help". There's never
>>> astroturfing, just "evangelism". There's never a restriction,
>>> just "enablement". The BBC can spin this all they want, but I know what they
>>> did and why they did this. Ask Erik Microsoft Huggers for starters.
>>> 
>> 
>> Ah, there's no point feeding the Kier troll, Roy, he'll just keep you
>> going back over and over.  Even the BBC's own Director General has
>> confirmed most of this, and Kier, and Shelton, *still* won't accept it.
> 
> There's always some odd one who is prepared to defend OJ Simpson. After all,
> he's a good football player, right? What's not to like?

Where did OJ Simpson enter into this?

You have to *prove* accusation of this magnitude, Roy, and you haven't.

And I am not a troll, any more than Tom Shelton is. 

-- 
Kier

-- 
Kier

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